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		<title>By: SM</title>
		<link>http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2009/04/19/who-is-vickie-greenwood/comment-page-1/#comment-2916</link>
		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would like to know is, how did Vickie get voted the best under the three categories by residents, when no actual work is available in-world/owned land for review? Please don&#039;t get me wrong, I appreciated reading several informative blongs in regards to meeting and greeting the winner, and it sounds as if she deserved the title. Looking forward to comments,
Kind regards
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would like to know is, how did Vickie get voted the best under the three categories by residents, when no actual work is available in-world/owned land for review? Please don&#8217;t get me wrong, I appreciated reading several informative blongs in regards to meeting and greeting the winner, and it sounds as if she deserved the title. Looking forward to comments,<br />
Kind regards<br />
SM</p>
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		<title>By: Who the Hell is Vickie Greenwood? &#124; Talia Tokugawa&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2009/04/19/who-is-vickie-greenwood/comment-page-1/#comment-2907</link>
		<dc:creator>Who the Hell is Vickie Greenwood? &#124; Talia Tokugawa&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sent the link of this through to Vickie after it was posted and she pointed me to prad&#039;s blog and the post he wrote. Note the similarities between posts, note the comment from Skinkie. Seems I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sent the link of this through to Vickie after it was posted and she pointed me to prad&#8217;s blog and the post he wrote. Note the similarities between posts, note the comment from Skinkie. Seems I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mari</title>
		<link>http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2009/04/19/who-is-vickie-greenwood/comment-page-1/#comment-2911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, folks.  That is a butt ugly house.  Waste a few prims and put in a pretty and functional one.</description>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
		<link>http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2009/04/19/who-is-vickie-greenwood/comment-page-1/#comment-2912</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a post all written out in answer to you, Landsend, but I decided not to spam this comment section about it any longer. I&#039;d be more than happy to discuss it in private conversations/mailings with you, though, if you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a post all written out in answer to you, Landsend, but I decided not to spam this comment section about it any longer. I&#8217;d be more than happy to discuss it in private conversations/mailings with you, though, if you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Landsend Korobase</title>
		<link>http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2009/04/19/who-is-vickie-greenwood/comment-page-1/#comment-2920</link>
		<dc:creator>Landsend Korobase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is feeling a little bit like &quot;The Emperor&#039;s New Clothes&quot; to me.

I&#039;ve seen some amazing builds in my time, I&#039;ve seen architects with the sort of flare and talent that as good as takes your breath away. (And no I&#039;m not one of them, so I&#039;m not coming from any sour grapes point-of-view here.) I&#039;m sure Vickie is amazing at what she does, but is she a better builder or architect than some people I know who do it for a living and have well deserved grid-wide reputations..? No. Sure it&#039;s subjective, but I have trouble believing that her name is the first that comes to mind for the great builders of Second Life.

Sure she seems like a nice person, sure I wouldn&#039;t want her to feel bad for winning (how shit would that be of me), but if we&#039;re analysing the results and trying to see if they genuinely reflect the best in each category, I think it&#039;s about a bit more than polite back-patting isn&#039;t it?

Or am I the only one who&#039;s noticing the emperor has no clothes on? Well, besides Prokofy. And btw, to the people attacking Prok, is it really necessary to get bitchy about it? Why not just address his points and avoid the name-calling stuff. He at least argues his points and is willing to stick his neck out to say what a very large number of people were already thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is feeling a little bit like &#8220;The Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes&#8221; to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some amazing builds in my time, I&#8217;ve seen architects with the sort of flare and talent that as good as takes your breath away. (And no I&#8217;m not one of them, so I&#8217;m not coming from any sour grapes point-of-view here.) I&#8217;m sure Vickie is amazing at what she does, but is she a better builder or architect than some people I know who do it for a living and have well deserved grid-wide reputations..? No. Sure it&#8217;s subjective, but I have trouble believing that her name is the first that comes to mind for the great builders of Second Life.</p>
<p>Sure she seems like a nice person, sure I wouldn&#8217;t want her to feel bad for winning (how shit would that be of me), but if we&#8217;re analysing the results and trying to see if they genuinely reflect the best in each category, I think it&#8217;s about a bit more than polite back-patting isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Or am I the only one who&#8217;s noticing the emperor has no clothes on? Well, besides Prokofy. And btw, to the people attacking Prok, is it really necessary to get bitchy about it? Why not just address his points and avoid the name-calling stuff. He at least argues his points and is willing to stick his neck out to say what a very large number of people were already thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Guen</title>
		<link>http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2009/04/19/who-is-vickie-greenwood/comment-page-1/#comment-2904</link>
		<dc:creator>Guen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;d vaguely heard of Prokofy before this, and after both scanning his response and his blog I think I&#039;ll remain &#039;in the dark&#039; from now on.

Now... getting back to the subject matter of the actual post...

I will agree with ONE thing that Pro said. That house may save prims but it also lacks any sort of style. Maybe the photos don&#039;t do it justice but I&#039;m personally not very impressed by how it looks.

The table and stools are much more impressive along with Vickie&#039;s ideas for scripting. Those are certainly worth looking into.

Considering Vickie&#039;s ideals for overcharging, then she&#039;ll hate XStreet too in the long run since they take out a percentage each time you sell an item. I understand where she&#039;s coming from, but also sometimes you just have to suck it up and &#039;deal with it&#039;. It&#039;s a part of RL, and it&#039;s becoming a part of SL. Does she also not drive a car if the gas prices get too high? Will she survive on water and bread if the food prices keep going up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;d vaguely heard of Prokofy before this, and after both scanning his response and his blog I think I&#8217;ll remain &#8216;in the dark&#8217; from now on.</p>
<p>Now&#8230; getting back to the subject matter of the actual post&#8230;</p>
<p>I will agree with ONE thing that Pro said. That house may save prims but it also lacks any sort of style. Maybe the photos don&#8217;t do it justice but I&#8217;m personally not very impressed by how it looks.</p>
<p>The table and stools are much more impressive along with Vickie&#8217;s ideas for scripting. Those are certainly worth looking into.</p>
<p>Considering Vickie&#8217;s ideals for overcharging, then she&#8217;ll hate XStreet too in the long run since they take out a percentage each time you sell an item. I understand where she&#8217;s coming from, but also sometimes you just have to suck it up and &#8216;deal with it&#8217;. It&#8217;s a part of RL, and it&#8217;s becoming a part of SL. Does she also not drive a car if the gas prices get too high? Will she survive on water and bread if the food prices keep going up?</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All hail The Neva, he of the enlightened knowledge and wisdom, the holder of the golden only-opinion-that-counts!

This is the first I heard/read of Prokofy and it will be the last if I can possibly help it. Really, de-friending Prad? Awwwwwww, whatever will the poor dear do?

Prad, I consider this a pretty neutral post stating the facts, and as such I appreciate it.

/me walks away laughing, snickering at certain overinflated egos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All hail The Neva, he of the enlightened knowledge and wisdom, the holder of the golden only-opinion-that-counts!</p>
<p>This is the first I heard/read of Prokofy and it will be the last if I can possibly help it. Really, de-friending Prad? Awwwwwww, whatever will the poor dear do?</p>
<p>Prad, I consider this a pretty neutral post stating the facts, and as such I appreciate it.</p>
<p>/me walks away laughing, snickering at certain overinflated egos</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m frankly surprised that Prad, especially after discussing this with me inworld, would misportray the critique here of her as being &quot;about unknowns getting to the top&quot;.

It was never about that, duh. Demonstrably good unknowns deserve to get to the top when we can see that the process is fair. This process is not only unfair; it deliveries absurdities. The unknowns getting to the top isn&#039;t the  problem. What&#039;s the problem is a) a skewed nominations process and b) long tails in a nominations that mean only 17 people could have the plurality to &quot;win&quot; while hundreds fan out with singleton nominations; c) taking three places. BTW, you can&#039;t have it both ways, claiming on the one hand Vickie Greenwood is sanitized by being &quot;an unknown,&quot; and then turning around and saying &quot;oh, but she has all these fans and boosters&quot;.

Seriously, Prad, that was stupid, you know that, and writing that was wrong -- wrong, and calculated, and manipulative.

It&#039;s also disgusting, frankly, to play the &quot;what about the children&quot; card and try to justify Vickie Greenwood by saying she teaches in Sunday School class -- er, I mean, at NCI to newbies. Fake. Like that proves you are talented lol?

I&#039;m going to de-friend you for this sheer outrageous manipulation in protest (you friended me only to push your own builds on me anyway). Why? Because I view this interview of Vickie as being a blatant suck-up to popularity, and a very shrewd, politically-motivated bid to be &quot;popular&quot; yourself and be seen as a &quot;peacemaker&quot; and come out looking good yourself. I find that revolting, frankly. It&#039;s not critical journalism, it&#039;s suck-up to mob psychology of the worst order and ultimately is about self-promotion. If the tide had turned the other way, I realize now you&#039;d have done a different kind of blog, but you merely cunningly decided what was of interest to yourself, and worked it.

That one-prim house is a horror. You know it, and I know it, and anyone looking at it knows it. In a world of pianos like Sue Stonebender makes, the sculpty piano is a horror, too. I&#039;m blinking in amazement that anyone thinks there is something even socially redeeming about that blob of a house and that trickster illusion of a piano.

Whatever the case you can make here for your friend and now ego-booster Vickie Greenwood for, say, &quot;talented sculptie maker&quot; or &quot;food maker&quot; (and the jury is out, and certainly isn&#039;t evidenced for two places) these pictures make a very obvious case: she has absolutely no business being in the building category.

What&#039;s even more illegitimate about all this, Prad, is your frank surprise and wonderment about this person winning best builder when your yourself felt a claim to the category, and yet cunningly turning around and boosting his street cred by &quot;offering her a platform&quot; like you&#039;re Jay Leno and not ever answering the question of whether she is a good builder, and accepting the completely lunatic idea that her not having land is an excuse not to display her works (um, out of her &quot;many&quot; fans and admirers, surely one can be found with a parcel that can hold, um, the one prim lol.)

For you suddenly to declare that her winning is &quot;a fact of the matter&quot; when it is an aberration  of a flawed process lets me know how far you will go to boost your own popularity the minute you see an advantage for yourself. I had never before probed the mystery of the no. one blogger of SL. Now I get it lol. Thanks for the insight. I personally am happy to occupy the rank of 48,210th blogger or whatever it is the silly system gives me for the reward of knowing I have spoken the truth, and especially spoken the truth to power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m frankly surprised that Prad, especially after discussing this with me inworld, would misportray the critique here of her as being &#8220;about unknowns getting to the top&#8221;.</p>
<p>It was never about that, duh. Demonstrably good unknowns deserve to get to the top when we can see that the process is fair. This process is not only unfair; it deliveries absurdities. The unknowns getting to the top isn&#8217;t the  problem. What&#8217;s the problem is a) a skewed nominations process and b) long tails in a nominations that mean only 17 people could have the plurality to &#8220;win&#8221; while hundreds fan out with singleton nominations; c) taking three places. BTW, you can&#8217;t have it both ways, claiming on the one hand Vickie Greenwood is sanitized by being &#8220;an unknown,&#8221; and then turning around and saying &#8220;oh, but she has all these fans and boosters&#8221;.</p>
<p>Seriously, Prad, that was stupid, you know that, and writing that was wrong &#8212; wrong, and calculated, and manipulative.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also disgusting, frankly, to play the &#8220;what about the children&#8221; card and try to justify Vickie Greenwood by saying she teaches in Sunday School class &#8212; er, I mean, at NCI to newbies. Fake. Like that proves you are talented lol?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to de-friend you for this sheer outrageous manipulation in protest (you friended me only to push your own builds on me anyway). Why? Because I view this interview of Vickie as being a blatant suck-up to popularity, and a very shrewd, politically-motivated bid to be &#8220;popular&#8221; yourself and be seen as a &#8220;peacemaker&#8221; and come out looking good yourself. I find that revolting, frankly. It&#8217;s not critical journalism, it&#8217;s suck-up to mob psychology of the worst order and ultimately is about self-promotion. If the tide had turned the other way, I realize now you&#8217;d have done a different kind of blog, but you merely cunningly decided what was of interest to yourself, and worked it.</p>
<p>That one-prim house is a horror. You know it, and I know it, and anyone looking at it knows it. In a world of pianos like Sue Stonebender makes, the sculpty piano is a horror, too. I&#8217;m blinking in amazement that anyone thinks there is something even socially redeeming about that blob of a house and that trickster illusion of a piano.</p>
<p>Whatever the case you can make here for your friend and now ego-booster Vickie Greenwood for, say, &#8220;talented sculptie maker&#8221; or &#8220;food maker&#8221; (and the jury is out, and certainly isn&#8217;t evidenced for two places) these pictures make a very obvious case: she has absolutely no business being in the building category.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s even more illegitimate about all this, Prad, is your frank surprise and wonderment about this person winning best builder when your yourself felt a claim to the category, and yet cunningly turning around and boosting his street cred by &#8220;offering her a platform&#8221; like you&#8217;re Jay Leno and not ever answering the question of whether she is a good builder, and accepting the completely lunatic idea that her not having land is an excuse not to display her works (um, out of her &#8220;many&#8221; fans and admirers, surely one can be found with a parcel that can hold, um, the one prim lol.)</p>
<p>For you suddenly to declare that her winning is &#8220;a fact of the matter&#8221; when it is an aberration  of a flawed process lets me know how far you will go to boost your own popularity the minute you see an advantage for yourself. I had never before probed the mystery of the no. one blogger of SL. Now I get it lol. Thanks for the insight. I personally am happy to occupy the rank of 48,210th blogger or whatever it is the silly system gives me for the reward of knowing I have spoken the truth, and especially spoken the truth to power.</p>
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		<title>By: Monk Zymurgy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monk Zymurgy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this blog post Prad. Vickie was unknown to me before this contest, and sadly my first impression came from another (horrible) blog posting. After reading Prokofy&#039;s angry spewing, this report has balanced things perfectly. Vickie seems a most lovely person, who definitely deserved the award. This blog was also new to me (before the awards), so congrats to you also Prad. Beautiful reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this blog post Prad. Vickie was unknown to me before this contest, and sadly my first impression came from another (horrible) blog posting. After reading Prokofy&#8217;s angry spewing, this report has balanced things perfectly. Vickie seems a most lovely person, who definitely deserved the award. This blog was also new to me (before the awards), so congrats to you also Prad. Beautiful reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Sirix Finesmith</title>
		<link>http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2009/04/19/who-is-vickie-greenwood/comment-page-1/#comment-2919</link>
		<dc:creator>Sirix Finesmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted this on Talia&#039;s blog, but I&#039;ll put it here as well.

I&#039;m actually a long time friend of Vickie.

She got her votes for three reasons;

1.) She pushes the limit of sculpties.
2.) She has geniune interest and talent.
3.) She gets tools made when there are none.

Even all of that said, you can be a jerk and knock yourself out of a popularity contest, which these awards tend to be. If someone is an amazing artist, but egotistical, and unwilling to share your secrets and skills, then you&#039;re not going to have enough friends to win even if you &quot;deserved&quot; it.

Vickie has potential and has given me confidence in my own work. I&#039;m glad she won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted this on Talia&#8217;s blog, but I&#8217;ll put it here as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually a long time friend of Vickie.</p>
<p>She got her votes for three reasons;</p>
<p>1.) She pushes the limit of sculpties.<br />
2.) She has geniune interest and talent.<br />
3.) She gets tools made when there are none.</p>
<p>Even all of that said, you can be a jerk and knock yourself out of a popularity contest, which these awards tend to be. If someone is an amazing artist, but egotistical, and unwilling to share your secrets and skills, then you&#8217;re not going to have enough friends to win even if you &#8220;deserved&#8221; it.</p>
<p>Vickie has potential and has given me confidence in my own work. I&#8217;m glad she won.</p>
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