I can’t say I was very surprised when I heard Philip Linden say he wants to see Second Life be for “all ages” in the future.
The fact is that Teen Grid is a ghost town at best. The grid has been suffering from downturn in active users, and the disabled signups of international users for several months isn’t helping matters.
As is typical of society, the screams of “CHANGE?!?! NUUUUUU!” have echoed around the grid as residents scramble to hide their sex balls under the bed, and hang up black curtains over the windows of strip clubs.
Quite frankly, you’re very naive if you don’t think there’s a presence of under-18s on the Main Grid. I’ll be as bold as to say I think there’s probably more under-18s on the Main than the Teen Grid.
Ever been in Second Life when the grid is closed off to logins and all your friends are offline? It’s pretty dull.. and that’s how I imagine Teen Grid to be.
I raised the issue of Teen Grid many months back, but never got a response from Linden Lab. However, I do back this latest move from them to bring the grids together.
Since that blog entry, I’ve continued to follow the Teen Grid and what happens there. I was even preparing a campaign for a cross-grid event to share ideas and creativity. A lot of SL residents are quick to complain about kids in SL, and think that joining in Teen Grid will only make matters worse.
What they forget is that the naughty kids go direct to Main Grid for their sex and griefer fixes. The good kids are the ones who are actively dedicated to the Teen Grid, and are functioning residents there who work and socialise as we would on the Main Grid. Speaking to them on Twitter/Plurk, I find many of them to be mature and knowledgeable – and I certainly would have no issues for them to be residents of the Main Grid.
But a lot certainly has to change before that can happen. There needs to be regulation of any regions containing sexual or graphic content so teen residents can’t access it. You’ll never be able to block it all perfectly, but then, that is the Internet – the power of anonymity means we can never be totally certain as to what’s going on.
And how about LL does something about Age Verification? The who doo-dah about getting it up and running, and then it got sidelined. The vast majority of residents aren’t verified, simply because there’s no reason to be. We need something in our profiles which states if our age is verified – that was, we as residents are afforded some means of security. It’s not fool-proof, but it’s something.
There is some fantastic talent on Teen Grid, and some very nice people there. By merging the grids, we have a richer pool of creative power within Second Life, but we also open ourselves to many more risks. As well as protecting children, we have to make sure that we as residents are protected too, and this is certainly something Linden Lab can’t afford to mess up.
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SarahTheRed on January 20, 2009
I dunno about kids on the main grid. I agree, I don’t think there will be a dramatic increase in obnoxious behaviour. But I don’t want to have to deal with censoring my language or my (tastefully) nude paintings. I’m also curious as to how the mothers-against-exposing-their-kids-to-real-life will protest SL.
Faery Sola on January 20, 2009
a very good article, you’re definitely right there being heap of kids on the main grid. I really hope LL is not seriously considering closing the teen grid, protecting kids has got to be the first priority always.
Combining the two grids would be a disaster, especially if they tried to “clean up” SL so it was safer for minors… as with the changes LL policies on gambling, they didn’t close down, they just became less apparent or went underground, if this where to happen to industries that would be deemed inappropriate for kids, then those industries would also go underground, making them harder to monitor… telling a curious young person “no, don’t go there” almost assures that’s number one on their to-do list. (remembering myself as a teenager LOL)
I do think there is an amazing amount of talent on the grid, but I think a protected environment such as the teen grid is a good place for these residence to develop their skills, then when they get to 18 they’re ready to come to the main grid and take SL by storm… and good on them!
Nimil on January 20, 2009
i don’t want kids on the maingrid. i am an adult, and i want to be able to do adult things on the adult grid without having to worry about kids being there as well. i agree that there are some talented kids on the teen grid but unfortunately those are not all that would join. we would get the ones who want to cause trouble as well.
i know very well that there are kids on the adult grid now and that bothers me a lot. if we allow the grid merge, we allow those kids who are bad more of an excuse to be bad. now instead of LL and by way of them us, being protected by the statement that anyone entering the main grid agrees that they are 18 or over, we would be opening our doors to so many things…
lets say a kid comes in contact with you, and they like you alot but you say sorry you’re too young. suddenly that kid is upset, they decide to get revenge. they start telling people you did something inappropriate with them, or maybe even fabricate a conversation in a note card and distribute it. suddenly LL is breathing down your neck, the media has been alerted, no one will do business with you, and there’s a chance you will face prison time.
now of course that was just me and my paranoid brain coming up with the worst possible thing that could happen but really that sort of thing is what scares me away from agreeing with the idea of merging the grids. and sadly, that sort of thing is what we would be opened up to. the “bad teens” who are on the main grid now, can’t use that because they have to pretend they are 18 or else get kicked out, without that claim of 18 or over only they would be able to grief in ways that could ruin others lives.
the age verification thing worries me as well.. i have no credit card, and i will not give these people my social security number because i do not believe it is safe. that is why i am not verified, and that’s why a lot of other people are not as well. not to mention in some countries there was no way to verify at all.
would that leave us at risk? would that make it so we would be unable to enter into places we had been to a million times previously?.. possibly. i live on an adult island, meant for bdsm education, and i know that if the verification thing became mandatory, our land lady has already said she would have to verify the isle just to make sure she stayed within the rules and that would leave me without a home.
though i do want change in sl, this is not the kind of change i prefer. they should be working on fixing what’s broken, not breaking more.
man that was all kinds of tl;dr…
Milla Michinaga on January 20, 2009
I have a 12-year old niece who is counting the days until she turns 13 so that she can join the Teen Grid. I used to really encourage her interest (she’s been playing Sims forever and wants to “upgrade” to SL and learn how to build, script, texture etc), but now I’m concerned with the poor state of the place; I’m afraid she’s gonna be bitterly disappointed. Surely kids should be an important demographic to target for the well-being of SL in the future? I really hope some money and initiative is spent there before her 13th b/day.
As for merging the two grids… hmmm… I haven’t really thought it through, but my first reaction is that I would NOT want my niece in here with all the sex and nudity that goes on.
Torrid Luna on January 20, 2009
I believe that joining the grids is a simple economic decision. Nobody wants to have 2 different versions of an already overcomplicated software installation in the wild, and when you read the complains from the teen grid, it’s quite clear that not much of the precious support energy went there in the last 2 years. On the other hand, simply closing the teen grid, kicking the kids out on the street would give a nice bad press echo… %-/
I fear, the most immature members in the ongoing discussion are the “adult community” complaining that they cannot f*ck around freely in the street or shops anymore. Hey, it’s nice to write out some fantasies that just don’t work so good in RL (like, say, T*nt*cl*s?), but I often shake my head about people who even after years in this wonderful virtual world still can think of but one thing: *poppen*. (german, vulg. for sexual intercourse)… No, contrary to popular belief (and german press), SL is more than sex.
But while I’m positively sure that sex&kink will stay alive as one of the best advertisements for Second Life, and thus never be outlawed, it’s essential that Linden Lab finally provide the age verification for the adult club and sim owners, just as they promised in 2007. (And to make one thing clear, it will be us, the adults pledging to wear the verification tags in our profile, not the kiddies!)
While sex shouldn’t be the only driving force in your neighbourhood, unless you really, really badly want it; If the sex industry leaves SL at all, because it get’s too dangerous with all those unknown kids around, we can at that same day make neckties and business gowns our bottom skin layer, and this will be the end of SL as we know it.
So, please, lets behave like adults.
Torrid Luna on January 20, 2009
@Nimil: This is a problem every teacher in the world has to cope with, and guess what, it works. While the world (and especially the german and northamerican part) is going a bit crazy about the assumed dangers of child molestors from teh æthernet lately, there are still such things as common sense and Linden Lab Logfiles. And hey: It’s saving bandwidth too: a/s/f will be one letter shorter then^^
Dale Innis on January 20, 2009
Yeah, this idea worries me too; with all the worry (justified and otherwise) about kids being exposed to Bad Things, I’m afraid that no longer being able to say “there aren’t supposed to be kids on the main grid anyway, so the ‘think of the children!’ argument against X doesn’t really wash” will make it harder to defend all sorts of adult activities, and leave us adults with nothing but childish things to do. Not that I’m against childish things
but adults should also have a space in which to be adults.
I think LL realizes how hard this is going to be to navigate, and that’s why it’s not happening anytime real soon. I guess in my ideal world there would be large age-verified areas, more or less splitting the grid into Adult and Everyone places; but if there’s stigma associated with being an Adult area, that might not happen without a great deal of pain. And what about the worries about dangers to kids in the Everyone place? The TG supposedly kept minors from coming into contact with possibly-dangerous adults; are there going to be mechanisms in place serving the same function on a combined grid? I can’t really think of any that wouldn’t have large downsides…
Quaintly Tuqiri on January 20, 2009
Milla I heard teen grid signups are borked and have been borked for a long time
Alexandra Daikon on January 20, 2009
Okay, I think I am the first one to say that I am *for* joining the teen grid and the main grid, but there has to be some changes first.
Age verification has to *work*. I have tried to verify dozens of times- both with my drivers license and social security number- and it’s a no go. It’s really rather frustrating. So- please fix the age verification LL.
I do know of one teen on the main grid at the moment, who was reported to LL and did get age verified- and she was 16 at the time! How did this happen? Someone vouched for her. LL needs to clean up it’s act and get real proof!
About the “kids” in SL… do you know what this day and age is like in the real world? I live in a suburb- but there was a drug bust in the *middle school*. That’s the same age as those kids that will be on the teen grid! If they come on the main grid and see all the sex and stuff- it will not be anything new, our culture already shows them everything in tv and movies that they’ll pretty much see in SL. One of two things will happen- they will be disgusted and stay away from it or join in. Those who join in are probably minors already on the main grid so nothing will really change. Obviously, the age verification will hopefully be set up by then and this will be cut out for the most part.
I have heard rumors that there *is* a sex bed on the teen grid, so again they’re already exposed. Again, if the teen was into sex as well they are probably already on the main grid.
People really don’t give teens enough credit. We aren’t talking 5 and 6 year olds. These kids do know right and wrong (or hopefully do)- and have to give them credit for even knowing about SL. I don’t think there will be a big uprising of griefing- those who want to grief are already there.
Some are immature and will cry out on what Nimil was saying- but as Torrid says, LL has copies of everything, hopefully said person also has logs and things will be cleared up.
Give the teens a chance. LL- get your act together with the age thing. This probably won’t be happening for a long time. Great article Prad!
Valiant Westland on January 20, 2009
I’m all for creating holistic virtual communities, where teens and adults can interact in ways that enhance positive dialog and the exchange of ideas. It also makes business sense for LL to eliminate the overhead associated with supporting multiple grids.
That being said, a merged grid that lacks STRONG protections for teen users would throw the door wide open to potentially devastating emotional and legal consequences. I can see the attorneys queuing up the lawsuit now; after the parents of some naive 13 year old girl find her weeping in front of the computer, while her avatar is “controlled” by an adult who offered her a “pretty collar” as a gift.
The safety and welfare of our most vulnerable netizens (our children) should be the primary concern, when considering this type of merger. I find the following quote both literally and metaphorically apropos:
“Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily mean we must do that thing.” Federation President; Star Trek VI (Undiscovered Country)
Landsend Korobase on January 20, 2009
One of the things I love about SL is that we’re all over 18, all adults. This means that we can all be assumed to understand the basics of contractual arrangements (such as buying an item off someone), and all understand the consequences of theft (try explaining even the basics of copyright infringement to a teen). In RL it is assumed that everyone 18 and over have the level of intellect, experience, and emotional stability to cope with topics and situations that most people under 18 would not – exposing a minor to sex and violence is not something I’d be keen on encouraging.
I know there’s the option of age verification, for example allowing malls to have no age limit, and the sex dungeons to be limited. But let me say that I would not want to be buying an item off a minor for the reasons out-lined above: Lack of understanding of contractual arrangements and lack of legal consequences even if they did.
I also wouldn’t go to the mixed areas for socialising since I’d constantly be constrained in what I could say and do. I don’t “hang-out” with kids in real life when I want some down-time, so neither would I in SL. In fact, I *go* to SL to find some adult company where I can be free in the way I can’t in RL when I’m almost always dealing with a little one.
Sure not everyone feels this way so a distant second best to making it 18 and up only, is using age verification. Sure. If it worked. I gave LL my credit card details over 2 weeks ago to at least get payment info on file, it still hasn’t been processed. I have no doubt I now have to spend ages just trying to figure out who to talk to about finding out what’s gone wrong. LL don’t strike me as particularly competent about these things. In the meantime we at least have a grid where it is known and understood that people under 18 are not welcome, and in my experience there is a lot of people policing that anyway within the grid – in my time I’ve come across a fair few underagers who proudly tell people they’re getting away with it. Then their accounts mysteriously close…
No we can’t seem to entirely stop the few underage griefers, and the underagers trying to get away with adult activities, but I don’t think that’s a reason to give in and let them on the grid. Might be a reason for LL to sort out the age verification thing better, and even that won’t be full-proof (kids have access to mummy and daddy’s wallet you know).
So where does that leave us re TG? Maybe TG is just an idea that is doomed to failure and they’ll just have to wait until they’re 18 to partake. Or maybe LL should just work on making TG more attractive (cheaper to join and more events for instance). I do not think the solution is to throw them in with everyone else at SL though.
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Angie Mornington on January 20, 2009
What is the issue why can’t the TG be fixed?
Is there a department at LL that is solely dedicated to the overall maintenance of TG and it’s residents?
Do they have a forum where they can voice their concerns and be heard?
Teens are usually very loyal to their video games and to the things they like on the internet. I’m sure if the TG was given the proper attention it would thrive. And we don’t want to lose the potential creativity that would eventually make its way over to the MG. Maybe LL should bring someone in with some teen gaming experience to rework the platform and make it conducive to the Teen residents?
Lavea Alter on January 20, 2009
I really do not understand why they don’t put more into Teen Grid. I’m sure it is not a money maker like the Main Grid, but these kids will very likely transition to the Main Grid at 18 and start spending money. They really should make it easy to also transfer your Teen Grid Account and it’s assets to the Main Grid once you are 18. That would, as you pointed out, require LL to put a verification system in place, though.
Caliburn Susanto on January 20, 2009
Good points, but …
SL is an adult playground, not a children’s playground. Acting “PG” is not what I’m paying thousands of real dollars for.
Yes, there are a lot of really smart, really talented underage people in the world. And god knows I’ve met plenty of 15-16 y.o.’s in FL who were more mature by far than half the “adults” I meet in SL. But there has to be a cutoff point and the law is the law.
Yay, I’m all for protecting the kiddies from the horrors of carnal knowledge and gratuitous violence (as if they don’t see plenty all day every day – snorts). But I’m WAAAAAAAY more interested in protecting **ME** from their parents’ lawyers. I am a law-abiding person who has no interest whatsoever in “corrupting” any youth; therefore, I never play with anyone who does not have at least payment information on file. This is not to protect them, it is to protect ME. It provides a reasonable expectation of legal maturity which would hold up in a court of law. It doesn’t matter a 12 y.o. can steal daddy’s credit card and create an account, that’s irrelevant. The onous is on the thief, and on LL for allowing it to be so easy for that to happen, not on ME.
Many people cannot have payment information on file for one legitimate reason or another. Therefore, Age Verification must be enforced. I am age verified. It was easy and quick. But how do you know that, since it does not appear anywhere in my profile? For others, because I own a SIM, I can test age verification on those who claim it by inviting them to my property with age verification required turned on. More than one person with no payment info on file who has claimed they are age verified have responded with “Says I am not allowed in this region.” Bingo. But I shouldn’t have to do that, it should be information that is readily available in the person’s profile.
My point of this ramble is that if LL is planning on having a merged population then they better provide all the necessaries for each responsible adult on the Grid to protect themselves from the irresponsible ones.
The moral is: Be on your guard or you may one day find yourself heavily guarded.
Tabliopa Underwood on January 20, 2009
The obstacle isnt the teenagers I dont think. Its the adults. Adults want their own space sometimes. The MainGrid is this space at the moment. Family time is important True. But no more important than teen time and parent time.
As for walling off parts of the grid and making nogo areas then the wall is already there. Teen and Main. Tearing down that wall and then erecting other ones on a MergeGrid makes no practical difference as far as walls go.
I think that if a space was to be created for younger and older people to mingle then it should go the other way. Let fully-vetted and provably reallife adults onto parts of the TeenGrid as far as the teenagers themselves allow.
The technical stuff to enable this mostly in place already. Teenage landowners can allow or not as they choose which adults, if any at all, onto their land. Public space access is controlled by the landowner as well, Linden Lab.
The adults permitted into this world get to wear the big signs over their heads and not the other way round =) And No, adults cant own land either. If they want to do this then they can goto their own place ya.
Also I think that there would be the first real opportunity for a workable democracy in a virtual world if this was to happen. A TeenGrid Council even. With teen representatives elected by the teenagers themselves. Adults no vote. Not in these elections anyways.
A Council maybe similar to School Councils that have student representatives and School adult appointees. TeenGrid elected teenage members plus Lindens in this case. Its a limited form of democratic governance true. But is way better than none. A Council that has formal input into the worlds ToS. Just like many RL School Councils have into the way their schools are run.
Would be good I think if this was to happen. Teenagers maybe do silly stuff as individuals sometimes just like adults do but they not stupid. And sometimes they dont know stuff. But. They also not blinkered by experience that tends to hold us back sometimes as we get older. So. I think they maybe surprise everyone if they were given the opportunity and responsibility to have structured input into the actual governance of a virtual world. Be a major leap forward for the metaverse if this was to happen.
A reality that smacks the metaverse in the face is the field of education. Without co-mingling its not going to happen. At least for high school students anyways. TeenGrid with teen input into its governance would be the place to start I think.
Arwyn Quandry on January 20, 2009
I can totally understand the worries of the Main Grid residents over having Teens. Those who are worried have to remember that there are already teens among you, some that are sucessful content creators, shop owners of all kinds, just good people in general. Many adults on the MG are just as bad as teens, if not far worse, if I’ve been reading the blogs correctly. I don’t think that LL will outlaw sex or anything, because it would kill their economy if they did. Unless you make a habit of running about in PG sims in your birthday suit with your freenis waving in the pixel wind, I doubt you’re going to be asked to change too much.
Those of you who think that the TG is fine and can be fixed, you’ve never spent a day there. As was said before, it’s like signups are broken and all your friends are offline. The biggest events (and with maybe five weekly events that might attract 15 people, 30 is a big deal) are all about merging the grids.
It’s our dream. Please help it work, and give us a chance to prove ourselves.
QueenKellee Kuu on January 20, 2009
Hey, everybody freaking out: Guess what? It’s going to have to happen sometime.
Everybody is looking forward to a day when we can jump between grids. Every grid will be different, have a different audience, different types of content and such. Some will be teen related grids. So instead of avoiding the problem forever, it’s time to try to find a way to deal with it, because this problem ain’t gonna go away just by ignoring it. In fact, if you don’t address it now, someone else (a government perhaps? ) might mandate something that would be potentially harmful to SL/hypergrids. We need to start to thinking of protocol and how to manage this, and merging the TSL is the perfect opportunity to start to work in that direction.
Not that I’m happy about it so much. I also don’t like doing my laundry either, but both are unavoidable.
Clearly the first thing they’d need to do is create more rating designations (I’d go with 4, going along the same lines as movie ratings of G, PG, R(Mature) and XXX to allow for more fine tuning of categorization. XXX sims will probably have more restrictions put on them, more hoops for ppl to go thru to visit, verification and such. But I doubt this will stop the dedicated, as there’s nothing that so drives the economy of the internet and SL as much as sex. So I don’t think it will end up doing long term monetary damage. Or stop any verified adult from getting their kinks.
LL could also script in parental controls/create a parental control viewer that parents could monitor activity, restrict what kind of sims kids can go in. Ya know, parenting?
Mike on January 20, 2009
Hello, I personally am from the Teen grid. The Teen Grid is getting worse by the day, the teen grid is under-advertised, their is a lack of people, the economy is horrible and, land prices are simply horrid, the prices for bay city dropped from 2.3L$ per sqm to 1.0L$ per sqm, yeah that’s what LL sells it for.
Merging the grids is more of a cry for help, as less people play SL land prices drop even more, it is supply and demand in action.
I personally hope this happens.
Eolande Elvehjem on January 21, 2009
i agree with you Prad on your points, all the bad kids are already in SL, and we’d be allowing the good ones in. assuming they fixed the age verification thingy and underaged avs aren’t allowed on mature sims (and people with PG sims were careful about their content) it seems like it would be all fine and good.
however, i agree with the point that was made though about kids not having enough experience with contractual obligations and the buying and selling relationship between designers and consumers. it’s tough enough dealing with adults who act like children, but then to add in actual children? it’s like purposely adding more immature people into a world where it’s already a problem anyway. in my experience even the most mature and wise of teenagers still lack what they need to behave like an adult in an adult world. i’ve already got my hands full with customers who make unreasonable demands and users who have no respect for intellectual property rights.
no thanks!
SarahTheRed on January 21, 2009
I’ve been considering this. I’ve considered the good-kids-are-the-ones-on-the-teen-grid argument. Yes, I know that there are minors on the main grid already. I’ve tried to see it from the teens’ perspective — I understand their grid sucks. I’ve tried considering that we should be generous and share our grid.
But you know what? I’m selfish. I don’t want to be bothered with age verification. I don’t want to be bothered with being censored or having to self-censor. I don’t want to be bothered with putting up with teens. I don’t want to be bothered with the legal ramifications of hanging a nude painting in my SL shop, or be implicated for accidentally friending a minor. I don’t want to be bothered with the public’s general perception of SL getting any worse.
Frankly, what adult WANTS to hang out with a 15-year-old? No, I’m not talking about 18-year-old seniors in high school who have younger friends. I’m talking about those of us in our twenties, thirties, forties. Why would we want to hang out with a minor? In RL, I don’t hang out with the kids at the mall; I go to bars, where you are at least supposed to be 21. Why would I want my Second Life to be any different?
Bailey Longcloth on January 21, 2009
I can really appreciate the teens who have been on the teen grid and have seen it degrade over time. I can really appreciate that they want to participate in the main grid and show their talents to a larger community. I can appreciate that the majority of these teens are decent kids. But they are kids.
If your under 18 you aren’t allowed in bars, you aren’t allowed to drink(at least in the US), and there are all kinds of rules about what’s appropriate behaviour between an adult and a kid of any age.
I’ve read the arguments for and against this and I have to say I’m against it. There is truly no way to protect the kids from the adults and the adults from the kids. Someone said it earlier in the comments, a vindictive kid could ruin someone’s life easily because they didn’t get what they wanted.
I recommend working on the teen grid, fix it. Get those kids who are passionate to work for LL like the main grid has moles. Give them the tools to make *their* world better.
If LL really want teens and adults to mix on the main grid then why not run a test for 6 months. Make a part of the main beta grid accessible to both, get “volunteers” who would be willing to participate in the experiment. The first story of an adult having sex with a teen(a known teen, not one pretending to be an adult) that gets leaked to the press will put SL and LL out of business.
Vaughan Vendetta on January 30, 2009
Real life is integrated grids.
There isn’t Teen Life and Main Life. Everyone exists together, regardless of age. Of course, that obviously means there are limitations and restrictions.
You have to have a License to drive. An ID to buy cigarettes/alchohol. 13-year-olds are not allowed into pubs, bars or brothels.
Why is it so hard to imagine that SL could be monitored in the same way? Why can’t you make your seedy sex clubs age-verified only?
You don’t see people whining about having to show an ID when they’re buying a 6-pack of beer. Why is it so asphyxiating to verify that you’re over 18?
Yes, I understand that the age verification system is rather useless at the moment… But if LL is serious about merging, they will fix it.
Honestly. Get over yourselves. Migrate to Red Light District if you’re paranoid about your “Maturity”.
Oh wait… They have teens there, too!
On the subject of social changes. If you don’t want to have teen buddies in real life, no one’s making you in Second Life. I’m frankly irritated with the ignorance and close-minded thought process that are being displayed wherever someone mentions, “Merge”.
Being a businessman and store owner myself on the TG, I think it’s unfair that I’m not given a chance to present my business to people other than cheeky little trend-ravaged girls. So, while I’m for an improvement in the TG, I’m even more for a merge. In fact, I don’t even know one single major designer here that -WANTS- to stay secluded in Tweenyville.
People like Asuka Martin (Dernier Cri) and Sylver Bu (Kinzart Kreetures), who have transferred, are finally getting the shots they deserve – And they’ve become big names on the Main Grid.
But. It’s not fair to justify an entire merge just to satisfy the “Smart” ones on the Teen Grid. Admittedly, there are hordes upon hordes of clueless, dumbfounded pre-pubescent people who wander around the TG, asking, “A/S/L? A/S/L?”… These people need to go back to Myspace.
Another solution that I’d be all for, is a “Business pass” for TG residents. Actually, I’d even be content if they opened up inter-grid commerce in the form of XStreetSL.
~V.
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